Happy Boxing Day Canada!!!

After a long layoff I'm back from up north snowmobiling and thoroughly enjoyed Christmas with the family and I hope you did too. Now...what did we miss over the past week?
Before I get started, just a little background music for everyone who was hating on me on the message boards (I read them, I don't post on them, they're terrible for the environment) just click the video and listen to the music as you read.



I'm never one to gloat so I won't gloat about the Ron English hiring at Eastern Michigan which is EXACTLY what that team and university needs. After watching the press conference I am convinced that this is the man for the job and EMU will once again be respectable in the MAC and who knows...they might even mess around and win the damn thing within the next two years. As far as recruiting goes, I feel that even though the previous regime was instructed to NOT recruit (very much) after the firing, the hiring of English is such a high profile one that any real football player who wants to play in the MAC would have to take a step back from their options and take a good long look at EMU again. Recruiting will not take as big of a hit as everyone is thinking and that is a very, very good thing. Oh, and since I was snowed in up north in Mesick, Michigan (the mushroom capitol of the world), I wasn't able to rip off Brian at MGoBlog and post this video after a great hire of a great football coach. I'll go ahead and do that now...

EASTERN HIRES RON ENGLISH!!!


Like I've already said, I'm EXTREMELY fired up about this hire and know that this team in Ypsilanti will be a source of pride for the community again very, VERY soon.

In other news...the Lions are now 0-15 and are a mere 60 football minutes away from being the first 0-16 team in the history of the No Fun Leage, I mean National Football League. Before I get to the Lions and their undying pitifulness, I have to chastise NFL Commish Roger Goodell for being a celebration Nazi. Last Sunday in a snowy game against Arizona, New England Patriots reciever Wes Welker caught a touchdown pass and then made a snow angel in the endzone.




As you saw in the video, it was nothing more than a guy having some fun in the snow after making a great play for a touchdown. By letter of the law, a player cannot go to the ground for a touchdown celebration which is the second biggest crock of shit involved with this incident. The biggest crock of shit and the current front runner for the "Crock of Shit of the Year" award, is the fact that the NFL (No Fun League as mentioned before) fined Welker $10,000 bucks for it. So you fine Wes Welker for making a snow angel and you let the Dallas Cowboys act like a bunch of girls in front of the press like a bad episode of Dawson's Creek. Something's not right here, and if I'm Wes Welker, I make a snow angel again next week as an F.U. to Goodell and his celebration Gestapo.

As for the Lions, let's face it, they simply will not win on Sunday in Green Bay. They struggle enough there with a good team let alone with this shitpile they have rolling out every week. The Lions will be 0-16 and will forever be known as the worst team in the history of the NFL.

HOWEVER

I truly believe that Rod Marinelli is NOT THE ONE TO BLAME! It's not his fault at all. Marinelli was handed the keys to another Ford Lemon and he did the best he could do with what he had. It's not like he's Marty Mornenweig choosing to kick off to start overtime in Chicago. Rod Marinelli is simply not the one to blame. Everyone above Rod Marinelli deserves all the blame in the world. And the idea of keeping Matt Millen's right hand man Martin Mayhew on as GM next season would be the biggest mistake the Ford's have made since they hired Millen. Why keep on a guy who has the same ideas and concepts as the guy you just fired? Like my old man says, most of the time it's the Jimmy's and Joe's, not the X's and O's which is the case in Detroit. The X's and O's are there, they just don't have the Jimmy's and Joe's to play on Sundays which is the main job of the GM and Millen screwed that up and I feel that Mayhew will do the same thing and leave us Lions fans scratching our heads as usual on draft day. Until Ford sells his team or gives control to his son, the Lions will never win. I know it's radical, but firing Rod Marinelli is not going to fix anything and could (somehow) make things worse.

The Pistons...OK, I'm not going to lie to you at all, I've spent exactly two and a half minutes watching the Pistons this season and that was because the Red Wings were on commercial and I hit the wrong button on the remote. That is how much I care about the Pistons. When I watch them, it's typically on accident or it's the playoffs and the Wings are off that night. Call it what you will, I simply cannot stand watching the NBA in fact, I would rather watch grass grow than watch the NBA. I would rather watch drunken clowns make balloon animals than the NBA. I would rather watch soccer, women's college hoops, Alf, reruns of Three's Company, or the Lindsay Lohan version of the Parent Trap than watch the NBA. Shit, I'd rather go to class than watch the NBA, and that's really saying something there. Dad just chimed in with a gem, "I'd rather watch heavyweight division beach volleyball than the NBA." Exactly Dad, exactly.

The Wings, well, they're just doing what they do. They're 8-2 and peckerslapped the NHL's best team San Jose last week 6-0, a win that served as a reminder to the rest of the league that the Detroit Red Wings are still the Detroit Red Wings and will kick your ass every night if you don't come to play. Ozzie has been hurt for almost a month now and Ty Conklin has done a tremendous job filling in for him, posting two shutouts and an 11-4 season record with a 2.53 Goals Against Average. Marian Hossa has proved to be the best free agent signing for any team in the offseason as he's leading the Wings in goals at the moment with 17 and is second to Datsyuk in points with 34 (Datsyuk has 37). There is one name on the stat sheet that continues to stand out to me and that name is Jiri Hudler. Hudler is fourth on the team in points behind Datsyuk, Hossa, and Zetterberg which is quite the company to be involved with. Hudler has 13 goals and 15 helpers on the year for a total of 28 but what's most impressive is that he's scored 13 times this year while only taking 66 shots which gives him a very impressive shooting percentage of just under 20% (19.7 to be exact). What does that mean? Well, if Hossa had a 20% shooting percentage, he would have scored 28 goals already instead of just 17. Either way, this is just typical Red Wings, you have your superstars lead the way and then the less noticeable guys follow their lead and play good hockey. Next week on January 1st, the Wings play in Chicago at Wrigley Field in the League's third outdoor game. So far conditions are going to be perfect but to me it doesn't matter because I'm an idiot and waited too long to buy my tickets for it. It's always a battle when these two Original Six teams face off with each other but given the grand stage this game is on, it should be even more intense and fun to watch. I just might watch the hockey game instead of the bowl games that day. We'll see.

As a Boxing Day present, here's Elisha Cuthbert doing what she does.

HAPPY BOXING DAY!!

Whoa Whoa Whoa...What?? (Update!)

Sources close to the Eastern Michigan Football program have just informed me that Louisville Defensive Coordinator and one of the hottest names in coaching Ron English is interviewing with the powers that be in Ypsilanti today. Not only is he interviewing today but from what I've heard, the job is apparently his to lose.

More to come on this later tonight.

More info on English can be found here.

*UPDATE*
Sources are saying that the interview with English today went VERY well. Well enough to the point where it's almost a done deal and we could have us a new football coach within the next week. Stay tuned.

If I Could Write a Letter To...

Dear Dallas Cowboys,
It's time to stop acting like a bunch of gossiping 8th grade girls at a junior high dance. As much as I hate your team, your owner, your players, and the shithole state you call home, I have to ask you to quit acting like a bunch of retards so I can watch Sportscenter without having to see Pedro Gomez or Ed Werder talking about how T.O. said that Tony Romo and Jason Witten were having Cowboy butt sex in the showers that day.

Seriously, enough already.
Cole

Dear Detroit Lions,
All my life I've been a Lions fan. Not the crazy "call into talk radio shows and go off about how we need better weakside protection on the outside zone then dress up as a Lion in a throwback Barry Sanders jersey and scream at everybody at every game and at my house when they're on the road" type fan, but a fan nonetheless. As a lifelong Lions fan I have to get something off my chest. YOU GUYS SUCK! From the top of the food chain Willam Clay Ford, all the way down to Carl, the guy who changes out the urinal cakes. If I had the power and the money to buy you I would fire everybody and just start over. I'm not going to get into how I would fix you because it wouldn't work anyway. As a fan, I hope and pray that you do in fact go 0-16 this year because damnit, you deserve it as an organization. It's my way of punishing you for punishing us as fans by throwing that terrible excuse for an NFL franchise at us year after miserable year. I will be the biggest Saints fan in America this week. I hope Brees torches you for 500 and 8 touchdowns and then I hope you get shut out. You're pathetic and I hate you.
Love Always,
Cole

Dear Jake Kirkendall,
Please get EMU Video Coordinator Matt Patterson a wrist pad for his mouse hand so he will stop bitching about getting carpal tunnel.
Cole

Dear Roomates,
I woke up this morning with every intention of shoveling the driveway. In fact, I was actually looking forward to it because I'm sick like that. Everything was great this morning until I lumbered up the stairs to take my morning leak only to see this message on the whiteboard in the kitchen: "If I Could Write a Letter To... Dear Cole, Shovel the driveway, don't be a lazy bastard today. Signed, Your Roomates" Now, like I said, I had nothing but the purest intentions this morning after we got the 4 inches of snow that covered our driveway but then you had to go and ruin it by being assholes. Have fun shoveling the driveway when you get home and watch out for the water I "spilled" on the porch step. Oh and another thing, next time the internet in the house goes out, don't freak out about it. It's not my fault you have to take a five minute break from your gay little World of Warcraft quest. That shit is gayer than Cowboy Butt Sex.
Love,
Cole

Dear Stores That Play Christmas Music on a Constant Loop During the Season,
There is nothing more agitating and frustrating than Christmas music. Especially when it's been redone by someone like Jessica Simpson or Reba McIntyre or The Backstreet Boys. If you want to play some Bing Crosby once or twice an hour I'm totally fine with that but once you start getting Justin Timberlake doing a remix of Little Drummer Boy, that's when my anger level starts to peak and when I'm most likely to scream at the old lady running the register for taking so damn long doing a price check on some little bastard's Buzz Lightyear or Princess Unicorn doll. Just stop it. I can't stand it any more. And you wonder why people get trampled at Wal-Mart.
I am not a Scrooge, I just hate Christmas music.
Cole

Dear Eastern Michigan University,
I swear to God, if you decide to be assholes and not let me graduate for some reason. I'll probably jump off the top of the Ypsilanti brick dick.
Cole

Playoffs? Don't talk about Playoffs!

Ok I would like to start this post off with a disclaimer...I don't truly believe that division 1 college football needs a playoff or should have one. HOWEVER the BCS is absolute bullshit and there has to be a different way to do this.

Personally, I think that a four team playoff is the best and most cost effective way to do it. And when you really think about it, is the #5 team ever really a national championship contender? How can the #5 team really have an argument to be in the national championship game? In reality, we should just take the top 4 teams and have a true national championship game featuring the winners of the 1 vs 4 and 2 vs 3 bowl games.

BUT

For the sake of argument and creativity...here is an 8 team playoff format that may work...

Why just 8? because 16 is entirely too many and anyone who thinks that #12 Cincinnati could hang with and possibly beat #5 USC is gravely mistaken. 8 teams in would mean that the playoff would only take 3 weeks to complete. As for choosing the teams...and here's where things get a little bit radical...I would keep the conference championships BUT on the national stage, they would mean nothing. I would divide the country into 4 regions and have 4 at large teams. This season it would go like this: You would have Penn State from the Midwest region, Florida from the south, USC from the West, and Oklahoma from the Plains States. As for the 4 at large teams you would have to include Alabama, Texas, Utah, and Boise State but only because they were undefeated and if you run the table, you probably deserve a shot.

As for seeding, you would go by the AP Polls and get rid of any non-human method of choosing anything. So if my plan were in effect it would be a first round of...
#1 Florida vs. #8 Boise State
#2 Oklahoma vs. #7 Penn State
#3 Texas vs. #6 Utah
#4 Alabama vs. #5 USC
On paper, these are all pretty good match ups. And since we're only talking about paper let's do another round...
Florida would beat Boise State without any real trouble as would Oklahoma against Penn State. As for the rest of them, I think Texas would find that Utah and their ridiculously fast offense and surprisingly stingy defense, would give the Longhorns some trouble but Texas would still advance. Alabama, fresh off their loss to Florida in the SEC championship game would lose to USC so the semi final round would be Florida vs. USC and Oklahoma vs. Texas (again I know). Then of course Florida and Oklahoma would both win again and we'd have the exact same result we have now. BUT at least we would give everyone else who has a chance...a chance.

(notice the italics? Yeah, SarahVan just showed up...)

Wait...stop it...just stop you don't know what you're talking about.
While that is an interesting idea for a playoff. But come on, what self respecting playoff only includes eight teams? Sure, baseball does, but that is about it. NBA...16. NHL....16. NFL....12. NCAA Basketball....65. So why limit college football to just eight? It is just not fair...especially when you think about the quality of the teams across the country. Why not give a Boise State a chance to beat an Oklahoma EVERY YEAR, not just when everything works out perfectly.

Which is why I suggest the idea of a 16-team playoff. It is a great number (perfect square) and allows for the perfect amount of teams. Every one of the Football Bowl Subdivision conferences (formerly Division 1-A) gets one automatic bid. Whoever is considered the conference champion, whether there is a championship game or not, gets its conference's automatic bid. So this year, that would be:

ACC: Virginia Tech
SEC: Florida
Big 10: Penn State
Pac-10: USC
MAC: Buffalo (for real!?)
Big 12: Oklahoma
WAC: Boise State
Big East: Cincy
Mountain West: Utah
Sun Belt: Troy

Now for the at-large selections...we will take into consideration BCS standings for this exercise
Alabama
Texas
Ohio State
Texas Tech
Oklahoma State
TCU

So now that we have the teams set, now for some rules. The teams will be seeded, based on whatever. It doesn't matter that Troy won the Sun Belt...still going to be the 16 seed. Higher seed gets to host the game. Final four games will take place at one of the sites of the BCS bowls. It will rotate every year, so that each location still feels the love. The tournament will start the week after conference championships. This will then make December that much better...and we can still have our beloved New Years day games.

For the rest of the schools...let's keep the other bowls. We can get rid of the really stupid and terrible ones, like the Papajohn's bowl and the emerald bowl and the cereal bowl. ok i made that last one up. But get rid of a few insignifcant ones and call it a day.

This gives smaller schools a chance every year to pull off an upset. Granted, we will never see another awesome Boise State-Oklahoma game like we did a few years ago...but at least this gives us a chance for that to happen. Who knows...maybe Buffalo could pull off an amazing upset...who knows unless we give them a chance?!

I think a playoff is where we need to head. Granted the BCS stuff always "works itself out" but we just spent the last few weeks saying it wouldn't. and that happens EVERY year. so why not just do what i say? Because I am always right.

Not always Van, not always. 16 teams is entirely too many. Probably. Either way...In other news I have received information from my sources about the Eastern Michigan coaching vacancy. Chuck Martin, Scott Loeffler, and Fred Jackson are all interviewing with the EMU administration this week. I expect there to be another round of interviews next week as well unless one of these three guys just blows the AD and interview board away. We shall see. Oh and due to the fact that I'm an idiot (and a fiercely loyal reader pointed it out to me) I misspoke about Ball State going to the Motor City Bowl. They are actually going to the GMAC bowl in Alabama, so they won't really need a coat, but maybe just a jacket. Central is instead going to the Motor City Bowl for like the 8th year in a row. Awesome.

I would talk about the Tigers and their signings of SS Adam Everett and Catcher Gerald Laird, but if you remember, I grounded myself from writing about the Tigers in detail until after the first of the year. Sorry, it is what it is.

If I Could Write A Letter To...

Dear Plaxico Burress, or should I call you Cheddar Bob from 8 Mile?
So let me get this straight, you went to the club with your buddy Antonio Pierce on a Thursday night in Manhattan, you felt as if for some reason you needed to bring a gun with you, just in case, you then shot yourself in the leg with said gun after trying to get it out of your sweatpants pocket.
OK, there are a couple things wrong with this, going to the club is not wrong. I'm perfectly fine with that, what did you have to lose anyway? You were on the injured list at the time for a hamstring injury so why not go out and drink that thing better? I'm fine with that. You brought a gun, to which you used to be licensed to carry to the club with you. That's kind of borderline really. You shouldn't need that sort of protection as a professional athlete with enough money to pay for someone else to carry a gun for you but you decided instead to bring the gun with you into the club just in case. That's what guns are for, protection and hunting. Still, you should have known your license had expired but that will happen. Now, other than the new hole in your leg and ruined season and reputation, let's talk about what really bothers me about this whole incident. Dude, you make millions and millions of dollars a year and you're wearing sweats to the bar? Don't get me wrong, I love a good pair of sweats, but c'mon man, even my lazy ass doesn't wear sweats to the bar! Have a little respect for yourself. Have you ever tried to reach into your sweat pants pocket to fish your cell phone out of there? It's a real pain in the ass sometimes. Now when you reach in there to pull a freakin gun out, you had to have known that it was gonna get caught up on somethin and you might fire it on accident. Common sense Plax, common sense. And for Christ's sake, put a pair of jeans on next time.
Idiot.
Cole

Dear Notre Dame Football,
Do you really think you deserve to fly out to Hawaii to lose to the home team in the Hawaii bowl? You beat one team this season that finished with a winning record (Navy, and they almost lost that one) and have turned one of the most storied and successful college football programs in the country into the college football world's punchline. You know what, I can't wait to watch Hawaii absolutely destroy you. I wish you nothing but extremely painful sunburns. Turning down a bowl bid with class is probably better than getting your ass whupped by a WAC team. Oh and as a parting cheap shot, Charlie Weis should probably eat less.
You Suck!
Cole

Dear Ball State,
First for the football team, you probably should have taken that Humanitarian Bowl bid eh? Instead you get to travel back to exotic and exciting...Detroit...awesome. However, there is good news! Remember when you had a student become an internet sensation for extreme ineptitude? You don't? How soon we forget, watch this video and then I'll come back to you.



Years later, you've finally made it to the top rung of the pop culture ladder. You've been turned into a sexual catchphrase used on Family Guy.



Congrats on a great season and enjoy your trip to Detroit. You might want to get a coat.
Sincerely,
Cole

Dear Michigan Basketball,
WELCOME BACK TO RELEVANCE!!! Two wins over top 5 teams (UCLA and Puke, I mean Duke) in a little over a week means that you could play mediocre basketball from here on out and still be a shoe-in for a long awaited return trip to the Big Dance. It's great to see Crisler Arena rocking again! Take it easy on Eastern this weekend. And for the record, I was never off the band wagon. I was just a silent passenger.
I should probably go to that game eh?
Cole

Dear American Government,
Since you just like bailing people out all the time lately, how about you float me a nice "pay me back if you want to but it's really no big deal if you don't want to" loan so I can buy one of those new hybrid Dodge Rams that the dude from Chrysler was telling you about when he was on Capitol Hill. I have to tell you, you probably should have bailed out the Big 3 waaaaay before you bailed out the banks. And there's an issue here that I don't really like. You're making the automakers who employ millions of your own citizens, jump through hoops and make promises about repayment and changing the way they do things just to get a little bit of help so they CAN change the way they do things. When the banks needed money, you just kind of wrote them a blank check even though they promised no repayment and no actual change. When are you going to realize that most of America resides firmly in the lower middle class, blue collar worker category? President Elect Obama? You got anything to add to this? Hello? Anyone?
Stop worry about the assholes at the bank and worry more about the Joe Six Packs out there that are just trying to make ends meet.
Seriously,
Cole

Dear NCAA,
Do you think it's time for a playoff system yet? You don't? What if I wrote up a FOOLPROOF playoff plan for you, would you consider it then? You still wouldn't? What if I had it for you tomorrow? You might glance at it? Ok, that's all I needed to know.
Signed,
Cole

(NCAA Playoff Plan tomorrow)

Meanwhile Back at the Hall of Justice...

Ball State rejects a bid to face Boise State in the Humanitarian Bowl.

Personally, I would love to see how Ball State would do against a big time program like Boise, HOWEVER, I 100% agree with why Ball State turned the bid down.

The Humanitarian bowl is played in Boise, Idaho. Boise State University is located in BOISE FREAKIN IDAHO. It's a home game for the Broncos on the Smurf Turf and therefore, completely unfair. I'm not saying that I disagree with the Broncos playing a home bowl game, I am just saying that I disagree with the Broncos playing a home bowl game against Ball State.

All of you Ball State and MAC football fans out there, raise your hands if you would make the trip to Idaho to watch this game....ok player and coach family members put your hands down...ok there's 3 hands and one of them is David Letterman. I am all for Ball State going to a bowl game that their suddenly loyal fan base would travel to, instead of driving in the back of a pickup truck (you know how those Indiana people roll) all the way to Idaho.

The only problem I have with it is this. A Boise State/Ball State matchup would be a matchup of two undefeated teams. Now that Ball State has put the kibosh on this game, any other bowl game they would go to and perhaps win, could almost be considered an asterisk on an otherwise perfect season. Now, if they were to for some reason lose to Buffalo tomorrow in the MAC Championship Game...then this point is moot as moot can be.

That's all for tonight, time to go to the bar with Otter.

Oh, and check out the new items in the Tobacco Juice Store!

But Aren't Sloppy Firsts Worse Than Sloppy Seconds?

Wouldn't you rather have sloppy seconds than sloppy firsts? Seriously, think about it. If you're getting sloppy firsts...yeesh. I would much rather have sloppy seconds. What the hell am I talking about? Watch the video and then I'll explain...



Now, for those of you who aren't hockey buffs, the guy talking is Sean Avery. NHL antagonist extraordinaire. I personally like Avery because he is, first of all a former Red Wing (2001-2003), and he's an old school tough guy the new school twist of having the ability to score and set up goals. He reminds me of my second all time favorite Red Wing Dino Ciccarelli (the first favorite is of course Steve Yzerman with Darren McCarty following in a close third) in the way that he's a smaller guy who just skates around and bugs the shit out of people and when given the opportunity, will put the puck in the net. Avery is a grinder type guy on the ice. Off the ice...well he's kind of a douchebag. Last summer he interned at Vogue magazine. That alone is reason enough to call the guy a douchebag off the ice. Like I've said though, on the ice, I like/love the way he plays. Even last year in the playoffs when they had to make up a new rule (the Avery rule) in between periods so he would stop annoying the shit out of Devil's netminder Martin Brodeur. A lot of people said his antics were unacceptable and unsportsmanlike but, until the end of the first period, he was playing within the letter of the law (for those of you who don't know, Avery was standing in front of Brodeur waving his stick around in his face and yelling at him in order to distract him enough to allow a goal to go through, that would annoy the piss out of anyone let alone an NHL goalie so the refs changed the rule book and told him to stop or it would be a penalty).

Now, why is sloppy seconds story relevant to this blog and its readers? The sloppy seconds he was talking about just happens to be the Official Hot Chick of Tobacco Juice Sports, Elisha Cuthbert who is currently dating Calgary Defenseman (and NHL 09 coverboy) Dion Phaneuf. Insert gratuitous Elisha Cuthbert photo here...


Avery and his Dallas Stars were in Calgary to play the Flames last night when he spouted off to reporters after the team's morning skate. After the league saw the video, they suspended him indefinitely and he didn't even get the chance to play and potentially square off with Phaneuf. Avery is obviously upset with how he and Elisha parted ways, otherwise he might not have said anything.

OR

He was trying to pick a fight and up the NHL ratings for the game later that night. This is where I feel that Worst Commissioner in the World Gary Bettman, is in the wrong for suspending Avery. Bettman and his corporational cronies are so concerned about the league's image and all that other bullshit that he's taken some of the fun away from the NHL. Everyone loves a good hockey fight and better yet, everyone loves watching a game that you know is going to be full of dudes flying around on skates trying to knock the living piss out of each other just out of the pure hatred for the other guy (see Red Wings vs. Avalanche). Rivalries, be it personal or team, are what make the NHL such a great sport. So instead of allowing the fuse of the dynamite to burn, Bettman basically pissed all over it so his corporate sponsors wouldn't get nervous about giving money to the NHL. I do realize that what Avery said is mildly degrading to women, probably more than mildly, but I wouldn't know I'm not a chick. But suspending him indefinitely like he's freakin Pac-Man Jones is a bit too harsh for my liking. I do know this, if Avery is reinstated by the next time these two teams play (if he is in fact still playing for the Stars, who were not very happy with what he said either) you can expect to see some SlapShot style old time hockey. Just when you think the NHL is starting to take the market back from the NBA...Gary F-ing Bettman happens.

Speaking of rivalries, according to the Morning Sun, the newspaper for all of the little shitbird towns north of Lansing, the Mid American Conference is looking into the antics of both teams and coaching staffs from last Friday's Eastern Michigan/Central Michigan game. I understand that such actions are typically inexcuseable but the MAC must understand one thing before they investigate too deeply and before they hand out any punishments, the main catalyst of the whole thing, is no longer employed by his university. If they take that into consideration and just file the incidents under "Shit Happens," instead of blowing it out of proportion (like they are starting to do) we would all be a lot better off. The instigator is no longer around...no further punishments needed. Just let it die and tell the officials for next season's game to be ready and not lose control of the game. Morning Sun article here.

As for EMU Head Coach rumors...I have no new news. It still stands at Jackson, Campbell, Loeffler, and Brown.